
Before talking on the topic at hand and the theme contained therein, I will talk about a movie titled “Newyork” which I happened to watch recently. A brief outline about the movie is given:
Newyork is a movie about 3 Muslim friends who happened to study in the New York State University (NYSU) and at the end of their college tenure in NYSU, 9/11 happens which changes their lives forever. Post 9/11 the security of the States was not only a question but a big concern for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and it was under huge pressure to nab the people responsible for 9/11.
It shows how post 9/11 the FBI merely on the basis of suspicion had hauled up 1200 men into the Detention Centers (DC) designed by the FBI to ‘interrogate’ terror suspects. Although the internals of these DCs were kept highly secret giving security and severity of the incident of 9/11 as the reason, the secret had created an intellectual black hole about the functioning of these DCs and had the Human Rights Organizations (HRO) up in arms against them.
Some of the reasons the way prisoners were treated in these DCs that had irked the HROs were:-
1. People, merely on the basis of suspicion, were hauled up inside the DCs and subjected to inhuman torture.
2. They were denied a lawyer or any trial and subjected to barbaric punishment at the behest of the FBI.
3. They used to beaten up mercilessly whole night.
4. They were not allowed to urinate as well and were forced to pass on their waste in the cranked metal cell they forced to live in.
5. Their faces used to be tied up in sacks and the FBI personnel inside used to urinate on them and leave them in that condition all night.
After some months the people were released due to lack of evidence. But the inhuman torture they underwent unnecessarily merely on the basis of a suspicion, fueled by a presumption propelled by a mass hatred against Muslims, turned the innocent citizens into dissidents and rebels and they started getting organized to operate ‘sleeper cells’ which used to work against the Government to spread terror.
Due to the threat cast on the security of the US by 9/11, FBI spunk into action and in order to justify its stand against terrorism, hauled up innocents and subjected them to inhuman and barbaric torture to justify their illegal detention in order to extract ‘information’. This process in turn led to transformation of the innocents who lost all trust on the system and became dissidents. And these dissidents in turn, became a terror threat to the country. The atrocities of the system allegedly designed to contain terror became breeding grounds for the same.
Most of the systems function similarly. They have grown so large and hauled up so many expenses at the cost of the public exchequer that they are in a constant fix to justify their existence. And the systems go to any level to justify their existence. The simplest way to justify their existence is to have a plethora of problems in the society so that they can say that they are needed to solve the problems.
However, societies rarely go into the root cause of the creation of problems. If there are dissident who are working to create disturbances in the system, then it is pertinent to do a root cause analysis (RCA) of the creation and propagation of the problems. Every year we get articles in the media crying about soaring rate of crime and putting pressure on the police and the judiciary to perform and reduce the rate of crime.
And we also get articles in the media about the corruption of the police and the judiciary and the inefficacy of the judiciary and the inefficiency of the police. These articles create a pressure on the system to perform and an illusion on the society that a huge and humungous system is needed and public exchequer’s money has to be utilized.
However, what the society does not know is that the system loves crime and criminals. They are properly protected and pampered by the system (indirectly) wherein the justification for corruption comes in. And this corruption has given an unasked for intrusion of organized crime and criminals into the system who are helping breed more crime by designing the system such that it is very easy to trap innocents but very difficult to nab criminals.
One of the obvious instances of such a behavior is abuse and extortion of men and their families in false dowry harassment cases and false cases under Domestic Violence Act. The system is well aware that these laws are easily ‘misusable’ and are misused in reality to the totality as well. These laws are used as an extortion tool to treat men as FREE ATM MACHINE. And it is not that the system is oblivious to the misuse. The system here traps innocent men, merely on the basis of a suspicion (raised by a false complaint by their wives against them), fueled by a presumption propelled by a mass hatred against men in general and husbands in particular.
The system is well aware of the misuse and despite being confronted on it, feigns ignorance and allows it to continue despite drawing flak. It is quite obvious the system draws incentives and concessions from the misuse. The most obvious incentive is a cut of the extortion, extorted by filing a false case against the man and trapping him.
However, that is a very short term for the system and works more for the individuals of the system rather than, for the system per se. The system as a whole and its stakeholders has a lot to gain from the misuse. The more the misuse, the more families break which leads to more consumerism as joint families disintegrate to nuclear families and nuclear families degrade to shattered families. Also the setback of a breakup leads to increased psychological spending.
In a nutshell, broken families lead to more consumerism, which leads to increased cash flow which in turn, leads to a boost in economy and corporates are the direct beneficiary of this boosted economy who gain a better position to empower the system and further deepens the roots of the system. Broken families also lead to increased degradation of culture and enhanced frustrations in the society, a further enhancement of the justification for such a huge and humongous system to exist.
Moreover, it also gives a reasonable explanation to the system to be slow that the load is quite huge and thus the system can’t help but be slow.
Hence we see that it is all a vicious circle and the system gains immensely from being slow, inept, inefficient and breeding crime. There is no rocket science involved here. Bring the system to such a state that it becomes virtually impossible to trust the system and to get any work done, the overhead involved should be high. Such an agreement will automatically breed problems in the society and the justification for the existence and growth of the system will be self-feeding.
Also, as I cited the example of false dowry cases, allowing itself to be used as a tool to earn money, it attracts criminal minded women to misuse the provision against their husbands even if it breaks their families since it satisfies their material desires of money. And the system by allowing itself to be used as a tool of false cases, it creates an atmosphere where falsely framed men find it very de-motivating and frustrating to fight for their innocence because the system (with its powers) will plague the path of the fighter men with so many obstacles so that ultimately most of the men give up.
Those men who are framed falsely and pay up, decide that next time they get married they are definitely going to take dowry and the girl’s side, also since they have paid up, find it difficult to break the marriage as the man will then use the same money to fight the case. This leads to increase in the practice of dowry and those men are never framed. Whereas innocent men who used to despise dowry are framed and made to believe that unless they take dowry they stand the risk of a false dowry case.
Here also, the system is breeding the crime of dowry. Again since RCA is rarely done and numbers are taken as reflective of the social situation, the dowry laws are also never amended (despite being heavily misused) as huge numbers of cases (albeit false) give an impression that dowry is a big problem for the society. Again here, the system gets a chance to lay an iron hand on dowry accused and make them crumble to pay and no one questions them as they have the background support of ‘True Lies’ to protect them for the stand taken howsoever, immoral.
This is just one example wherein I have shown how the system works to create more crime in the society (albeit in the background); however this is merely illustrative and not exhaustive of the fact that SYSTEM BREEDS CRIME. There are many such areas where the system actually works to breed crime and not eradicate it. More crime helps the system grow, maintain and sustain itself without being questioned much. Obviously the system has a very valid (albeit non-righteous) reason to support and breed crime.
— Allen Tucker
....It says all.I just fail to understand why the authorities have failed to realize that women can too misuse the legal provisions?It’s ridiculous to believe that only truth comes out from mouth of a woman every time she opens it !!
Now, the Question is are Indian Husbands ready to accept that hard reality and will wake up to Stop the Legal Terrorism against Indian Husbands or still prefer to sleep?
Indian Husbands End thier life:It Was A Crime That I Was Born As Man ?
Honorable Supreme court of India along with all LAW makers , still not able to answer : Is the Pain of a Mother or Sister is less or Nil , when they lose their son or brother?
If not then why a wife should not be punished, when the evidence are beyond reasonable doubt the husband end his life due to harassment by wife?
We wonder Whose life is in More Danger in India: Men or Women?
1. Crime Bureau data 2005: Married Men Suicide : 52k vs Married Women Suicide 28K.Still there is no LAW to Protect Men why?
2. 2006 Crime Bureau Data: Married Men Suicide: 55452 vs. Married Women Suicide:29869.
3. 2007 Crime Bureau Data : Married Men Suicide: 57593 vs. Married Women Suicide:30064.
Will Our LAW Maker change the LAW 304B (dowry death) to 304C (Sowry Death) and 498A (harassment to wife) to 498B (Sowry harassment by wife)?
In case when a wife end his life, irrespective of any reason , the husband and all his mother/sisters put behind the bar immediately , but when a Husband end their life, inspite of having the evidence , no one cares or media also do not find the same as news , forget about any Breaking News. We even witness the husbands and all his family members send behind the bar , even when the wife’s family falsely claimed the wife is dead, where as the truth is the wife is alive and happily enjoying her life with another man.
Whereas , we have witness in this country , a women sleep with her boyfriend in Mumbai five star Hotel (few month back a Air Hostage women’s suicide case) and the moment she suicide , all the News Channel claim the wife had been killed (where as the husband stay in Delhi) and it is to be termed as Dowry Death... wonder , where every suicide of a wife had converted to Dowry death and made more and more laws (as on date more than 6 laws to harass and treat the husbands family as Free ATM machine available in this country).
It is evident, more than 90% Indian Husband totally ignorant about the danger they are in and relax, till the time they hit by those dangerous weapon of Legal Terrorism in the form of one sided law like 498a/DV Act/Crpc125/child custody/adultery/maintenance.
If American had not been in the hands of the religious wing of the government at the time of 9/11 then there would not have been the attitude of ”God given RIGHT” to disregard the Geneva Conventions and all other civilizing factors.
All I am saying is be careful what you wish for ...or you just might get it... just like we did... and you know the deep doo doo we are in.... just like Iran did.... and you see what turning their country over to religion has done to them. Look to working models of peace and equality and then get involved in government.... don’t make the same mistakes as failed states like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, America, Mexico, Israel etc. Letting religion rule is always a mistake, no matter what the religion is.
-Guilty person should be punished but false accuser should also be punished.
-Dowry taker should be punished but dowry giver should also be punished.
-There should be recognised right os women in marriage, but duties of women should also be enumerated.
-A rapist should be punished, but false accuser of rape should also be equally punished.
It is never done. There is no balance in law. Why should men be doing the balancing act. Read the balance in Rape Law,
http://masculist.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/false-allegation-of-rape/
Enough is enough. We men think that appropriate balance can be created only after destabilising the unjust laws.
The word men/women to be replaced by the word Person and husband/wife to be replaced by the word Spouse.
A well-educated person should earn their live hood by their hard work instead of treating others as a Free ATM machine.
The word “living-in-adultiry” to be replaced by the word “living or lived in adultrity” during the relationship of both the partner, should not be entitled for any maintenance from each other, as it is a criminal breach of trust and cheating.
If any one filed the maintenance under crpc 125, the person should not be entitled to file or claim any other maintenance case under section24 or DV act.
Repalce the word husabnd and wife to spouse and men women to person, can you?
This is called the present Justice system in India and equal right in India.
For a wife even adultrity also is not a crime (it is a rewarding option and free money earning business for the whole life), but for a man even an allegation of “Name-calling” is crime and not only the man, his mother/sister/age-old father also can be put behind the bar under 498A or DV act.
Since ages, the fruits of man’s labour has been stealed by women- as wife; but in modern society it is not mere stealing- it is robbery- a legalised robbery under garb of maintenance laws. Why should an able bodied educated women get maintenance? Are not she in a position to maintain herself? How can the law canot see the reality that hndrends of able bodied educated women are maintaining themselves?
The law has to understand that maintenance is not a bounty-
http://masculist.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/maintenance-is-not-a-bounty/
Friends, this society will not understand the plight of men- the only way is to refuse to marry. Men must refuse to marry-
http://masculist.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/why-should-men-refuse-to-marry/
209 Men Kidnapped for Marriage
Read Original Article in Hindi
http://www.wethemen.us/images/stories/209%20Men%20kidnapped%20for%20marriage.pdf
Then what would she need you for?
So there! Stay single, no one wants you anyway!
Before I start let us understand a few things. Women position was bad in earlier times, now in modern society it is improving. Have you ever thought why?
The answer is simple. Earlier society was based on war- and women didnt participated in war. Men were conducting war, businesses related to war, controlling state which comes into existence as a result of war, controlling taxes collected by the state, enjoying prizes of war etc. etc. In this activity, women didnt particiapte for whatever reason, and hence their position was weak.
The modern society is based on salaried job which women can do as efficiently as any man. Hence they will gain status. I support such gaining of deserving status. The other important thing is ”democracy”, where words and expression counts. I feel women are better in talking and expressing themselves- in truth or in lies. We have to learn this trick from women, if we have to survive in democracy.
Yes, read Nuya diligently. Look into the changing stance-
Women can maintain herself (threat to men). Why are men needed (making men useless, as if only need of man is to give maintenence to women.)
Keep your pidding money (anger). You think this way, no body wants you (threat of social exclusion). It is a good thing you will never marry (curse). We have to understand such tricks.
See the complete result- she is not saying anything. She support maintenance or not, no body knows. All that she says that if you want to keep your pidding money to yourself, no body will marry you. Non committal arguments- it is a great strategy in logic. Men must learn it if they have to survive in democracy.
Anyway, abortion is done by women themselves- women doctor for greed, women mother either based on her calculation or to plese her family members for her benefits. Why to blame men? The practice is bad and I oppose it as much as you do- but I will not allow you to take this plank for feminazi propaganda.
Why would that be a threat? Since you say that women have been worthless since the dawn of time and have never contributed anything to the world, that should be a comfort to you not to be burdened.
Why are men needed (making men useless, as if only need of man is to give maintenence to women.)
Yep
Keep your pidding money (anger).
No anger to it, why should women be angry about being able to make money and not have to share any of it?
You think this way, no body wants you (threat of social exclusion).
What threat? You have friends don’t you? You certainly don’t want any women around.
It is a good thing you will never marry (curse).
CURSE! It is a blessing to you... you never have share any of your money, you get to keep it all for yourself. That is all you were interested in anyway.
Well, I will never give maintenance to any women as a matter of right. I can give much more, if I am pleased. I will not give a penny, if I am not pleased. I know who to give my money too- I will not allow anybody to extract that from me.
Therefore I suggest, ”never marry a working women- they are more likely to be a feminist”.
Read properly, then reply. Let us not degrade the standard of discussion.
SUCKER!!!!!
First of all I doubt your English reading capabilities. The article no where intends to be wound licking for anyone. It exposes a behavior of the system which is reality.
And as far as Alimony is considered, it is not the birth right of any woman. Alimony is the biggest motivator for women to break marriage and shun off responsibilities and is an anti-man concept. Men fear and tolerate in marriages due to the fear of impending alimony whereas women sleep with multiple partners and then file false cases against their husbands and claim alimony as if it is their birth right to loot men.
And all this drama goes on in the name of Women Empowerment. Is this women empowerment, to allow women to commit all kinds of crime? Whereas men pay the price for that by being framed as the bad gender.
Enough of this non-sense, men in West have already stopped marrying, the same will happen in India and Indian women will be begging for husbands on the national highway and still won’t get.
Some facts about men, lesser known available at,
http://www.wemen.us
Marrige can nenver be based on ”Love”. Because Love is a feeling and by its very nature feeling are ephmeral. We dont know any institution in the world which survives on love (if there are any, do let me know). Marriage survives when it was needed.
In the olden days, earning food and livelihood was difficult, dangerous. Men went out hunting, fishing, getting food. Many of them died in the effort to get food for women and their children (in fact studies in some primitive tribal society proves that almost 80% men dies violent death in order to secure food or for security). At that point of time, women needed marriage. So they befooled men into marriage and enjoyed the fruits of labour of men. Now this is not required. They dont need marriage.
Men are idiots, fools. They dont understand the design of women to rob them of their labour. Unless until they understand it, they will be exploited as slaves. If they dont understand it, they deserve to be exploited as salves.
Some classes of persons survive on expliotation. Women is one- State is other. In present time the biggest and most dangerous Feminist is state. It gets 80% of its tax revenue from men and spends 80% of money on women. State has become a tool to exploit men and support women, just as in earlier times the marriage was the exploitative tool.
The only way to get out of this situation is to understand that Men dont need women- they will be happier withtout women. Women are exploiter. They are dangerous. They can make false allegation of rape against you-
http://masculist.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/false-allegation-of-rape/
and with power of Feminist State (maintained by taxes paid by men) your life is ruined. If you work with them, they can file sexual harassment charge at workplace. If you marry them, your destinity is well documented with divorce, alimony, paternity fraud, child support, getting thrown out of house etc. etc.
You have to avoid women. Avoid as much as possible. Dont talk to them. Dont go out with them. Dont marry them. Dont work with them. Once you learn to save yourself from them, look at the state. Then it is easier to correct the Feminist State.
the saying, ”The girl is the most unwanted member of the family” no longer applies....does it?
Fathers no longer have to pay to get rid of unwanted daughters.
no more arranged marriages so women aren’t shipped off against their will to live with men they don’t love and who don’t love them.
No more fear of being used as a breeding machine, that should cut down on over population.
Men can cook and clean and shop for food and wash their own clothes and tend their own gardens and tend to their own sexual needs so really no need for women to be burdened with men.
No need to correct the feminist state! It seems to be working great for you, since you don’t want anything to do with women anyway.
Just think, you get to keep all your money for yourself now, if that feminist state hadn’t come along, you might have had to share some of it.
In mughal times, a horse was prices approximately six time than the price of a women. Probably in that warring society, hosrse was more useful than a woman.
You yourself says if the husband does not pay maintenance, why will be he needed for. Being needed, being useful is most important thing. If some person want to be treated as worthy, he must be useful.
You are right in saying neither men nor women need marriage. Then why marry? I have no disagreement with you on this point.
Billions of people are married around the world for Love? Hey I just heard the other day from feminist that marriage is an institution for exploitation of women. In fact some say that Love is a tool for women expliotation. I just believed them. That is one of the reason for which i said love and marriage should not exist. I do agree with feminist on some points.
Those women whose marriages are arranged by their parents are not feminists. They need marriage. For those women marriage is the most important celebration of their life. As they need marriage, they make various sacrufices to make the marriage work. That marriage does not depend on love- as before marriage probably neither the boy nor the girl has seen each other- and cerainly not talked to each other. They are living in some past society.
Our discussion is about the present society. Where marriage is for some alleged love, where marriage is an informed choice of the parties. Let us confine this discussion to that marriage only.
And I would like to congratulate you for one more thing. When you (a woman) say something, it is on behalf of feminity; when I (a man) say something, it is my personal view. This dichotomy will not work for long.
Men have tolerated rubbish feminist prpaganda for long, beacause they were interested in women empowerment. In order to promote women empowerment, they didnt oppose blatant lies of the feminists. Those days are over. Those blatant lies are breaking the society, punishing innocent persons (both men and women), developing a breed of parasitic feminists who is only interested in extorting money for any body- from her husband as alimony, as child support even when there is no child, as rape victim when there is no rape, as dole from state and so on. We will not let it run for long. Women has to work and they have to maintain themselves and their children.
And yes- I am interested in State Feminism- for I pay taxes. I want account of every penny I pay to the state. If any penny will be used to give dole to undeserving women or used to punish innocent men, I am concerned- and I will oppose.
Your views are very interesting.Keep it up.We have realized and now it’s time for you to realize that likes of Nuya are bundle of contradictions.They have an inborn talent to make contradictory statements.
You must bow down to the Queen of contradictions :Ya Devi Sarvabhuteshu..hehe
He says all women are worthless and useless and have always been, but he complains about them now taking care of themselves....nothing is more contradictory than that.
I know you have a closed mind but I now know that even your eyes are closed as you can’t see that I am talking to Rajesh.
At least,keep your eyes open while typing comments!
We have always been head-on many times.I know more about you and even if you try to know yourself you won’t come to know better than me!!
I know the consequences of uttering your name..hehe
You were lucky enough to be allowed to bullshit for so long as I was busy with work.
Now your points are as hollow as your mind. Brainless and full of shit.
Women sleep with their brothers and fathers and file harassment cases against their husbands when caught.
Women marry only rich men and marry only for money. Money is the sole criteria women look for marriage and will marry any jerk for that matter.
Women are the real cause of all miseries on earth and blame men for everything.
Women use men be it their brother, father, boyfriend, husband or husband’s friend or the guy with whom they commit adultery.
Women have caused the greatest wars in history.
Behind every crime there is a woman.
See even I can talk bullshit like you have been doing so far.
But has it got any relevance with the topic at hand? No. Oops I forgot, one needs brains to understand all that.
All you have is an empty from where facts boomerang and a loud mouth used to utter bullshit.
By the way, all of the above that I wrote about women, is true but I know you will not accept it, because you are blind and gender obsessed and as usual, as a woman you do not want to take any repsonsibility so you are putting all blame on men.
But sweetie, gone are those days when women used to trap men in false allegations and make money because men are back, as explained at,
http://wemen.us/articles/an-article-a-day/512-men-are-back-.html
And for your bogus data on female feticide, first of all you do not have any factual backbone to support your claim, do not tell me media, because is sold off to sensationalism and knows that only sex, sleaze and crime sells and thus sells it, at the cost of society.
And here’s the direct evidence of men’s torture, men have been tortured to such an extent that out of 1400 genes, only 45 are left in the Y Chromosome - the one that’s responsible for manhood.
This clearly shows the degradation of men due to torture by women. But why will you accept all this, since for you women can’t commit crime, right?
Utter Bullshit.
Women have never had any power to do any of those things you claim, men turned the world to shit all on their own. Remember, women were at home sitting on their asses doing nothing, like you said. You can’t have it both ways.
Why are you even talking about this? None of it concerns you in any way. You are perfectly happy without worthless, evil women. You should be happy to live out your life alone and feminism has made that all possible for you.
If you are asking if I have ever committed a crime, the answer is no. I have never even had a traffic ticket.
Women enjoy the most in marriage, its the man who slog out, day in and day out.
And if women do a bit of work for a change, whats there to shout about?
Again irresponsible nature of women exposed.
Keep on talking and exposing women.
I am having fun sweetie.
”Hell no!!!! Marriage means slavery... working from before the sun comes up until well after dark and never being appreciated. It means walking the floor all night alone with a sick child....changing diapers....Looking at the same 4 walls day after day, night after night until you think you will go crazy....it means having to have sex even when you don’t feel like it or he will stomp and scream and slam doors until you give in.....it means never having any fun...and if you don’t work... it means having to beg for everything you get and then you can only have what he LETS you have and not what you want...it is sooooooo degrading....I don’t know why any woman would get married.” Unquote.
Have you ever asked from your mother why did she marry? Why did she opted for slavery?
Well, I think every man is a slave in marriage- slavery to maintain a women and her childrens.
Understand, women can’t take care of themselves only because they are useless.
Guys, do not write complex sentences to Nuya, she finds it difficult to understand and makes basic mistakes.
Please cooperate with her, she is trying hard to cope up to men.
You are right Nuya, we dont want to handle such smart women. Probably we cant. It is our fault.
Men, the idiots they are, kill their own brethren to please a woman while woman enjoy.
It always has been a woman vs. woman war and men have paid the price for that.
As for me, I am very happy in my life, you need not worry about it. I have seen enough bad women who commit crime and pass the blame on men.
Well, if you have not got a traffic ticket, does not mean you do not have the potential to commit crime.
But as a woman you have wholsale free license to commit crime, some man will be punished for that.
The day men, stop protecting women, men will be liberated and their miseries will end.
The day men stop marrying, free lunches for women will end and they will have to work then.
I live in America, I have freedom, equality, prosperity, and love....why would I want to commit crimes?
Anyways here’s a direct evidence of the crimes that women commit,
Have a go here,
http://www.wemen.us/menz-corner/videos/551-beware-husbands-news-9-part-2.html
http://www.wemen.us/menz-corner/videos/550-beware-husbands-news-9-part-1.html
OK! we get it, you hate women and want nothing to do with them, that is your right.
And it is very easy to have fun with women coz they do not have brains.
Anyways WOMAN consists of MAN, SHE consists of HE, FEMALE consists of MALE.
A woman is incomplete without a man and cannot survive without a man.
A man can.
Looks like no one has challenged you so far, so making small mistakes here and there outta frustration.
I sympathize you.
Also I know since you are mentally ill, I wish you Get Well Soon.
Like I said before, women need men like a fish needs a bicycle.
I just happen to be lucky and have REAL men around me, no candy ass whiners. I am not fond of effeminate men who blame women for their short comings. I don’t personally know any like that so you are a novelty to me.
And still cling on to men for their expenses and protection.
Only shows the level at which you women are situated.
Btw something for male hater like you to enjoy,
just wait for 5 million years, you won’t need a bicycle to fish
http://wemen.us/articles/an-article-a-day/552-men-the-invisibly-abandoned-diaspora.html
Btw I salute women’s ability to complain about everything.
There are some lines,
God created the world and rested
God created men and rested
And God created women
Neither God nor men have rested.
Hahahaahhaha all are RohanD, dear, RohanD is different, I am different, Arvind is different.
All are real men, not the fake ones you have met so far.
Yes, you are doing a great service to mankind. With your words, many men will undersatnd this threat and degradation and some lives will be saved. Keep on writing like this. It is a great service to mankind. Keep it up.
What makes you think a woman can’t say this?
Women are the most shameless creatures God ever created.
Merely because some alleged injustice was meted out to dead women of the past, cannot be a reason for doing injustice to live men.
Men must understand that during peace time, women will be as good as men and men have to compete with them. Further, women handle democracy better and hence a beneficiary in democracy. We have to understand these things. A gender war is inevitable. This war will be a democratic war- on ballots. Be prepared for that.
Another aspect is story telling. Most of the people read story books- fictions. Women are better in story telling- they write better stories, more emotional, more moving. We have to learn story telling. I tried one story, have you read,
http://masculist.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/angulimaal/
I am in the process of learning story telling. We all learn making stories. In news items, add a few words here and there, make a moving emotional news items and fill the web. Stories will be an important weapon in this war.
You will be more informed what happens when enlightened community of men tackle the propaganda of the feminists :
http://indowaves.instablogs.com/entry/random-thoughts-on-womens-day/
Have a look at the debate in this article to know more about Nuya and her feminist gang in league with only reality of this universe:FEMINISM !
Remember Zaheera Seikh ? He was punished by the Court for displaying her capacity of story telling.
Remember recent incident in which a woman accused policemen of raping her inside the Police Station ?
I am just tickled to find some real live cavemen...it is very amusing...sad and sorta twisted but amusing.
Remember Zaheera Seikh?She was punished by the Court for displaying her capacity of story telling!
Some people have suggested here that both man and woman don’t need each other.Well,they are made for each other unless we have decided to give rise to homosexuals and lesbians.It’s time to decide whether we are interested in giving rise to society having man and women as life partners or are interested in giving way to community of lesbians and homosexuals mired in all sort of psychological disorders.
I am afraid time is not far when intimate relationship between man and woman ,build on trust and love,will become rarest of rare thing.
Jai Ho Feminism Ki !!
That is a whole lot of emotional baggage to overcome! Centuries worth for the women and the men. You will never learn anything if you don’t learn to see things from another person’s point of view or put yourself in their place.
Women don’t stab men that they love. Men don’t respect stupid women who let people walk all over them.
They married for money — would you? by
Kanchana Banerjee
http://getahead.rediff.com/report/2009/jun/25/they-married-for-money-would-you.htm
You don’t sound correct when U say that ”none of the arranged relationships were built on love or trust or respect”.
Arranged marriages in India have generally been the breeding ground for trust and love since time immemorial.
The problem has arisen now when individualism has gained ground in land which believed in togetherness.When one becomes hypersensitive about one’s needs and dreams the chances of developing an intimate relationships becomes zero as all the time we are more interested in pursuing our interests instead of strengthening the bonds.
Today we can have one-night stands but are becoming incapable of living together as life partners.We have forgotten the art of taking an extra step for the betterment of one’s life partners.Interests and not values that decide the fate of relationships today.
There was no togetherness.. just 2 separate people doing their separate duty because their families told them to do it.
Men had interests and they pursued them but women were not allowed to. The women had nothing but drudgery and loneliness and no one cared. ’It is a woman’s lot in life to suffer’, there is some form of that saying in all patriarchal societies. They were made to suffer for so long, is it any wonder that they want revenge now?
That’s why it’s futile to debate with you.You are more interested in unfolding your false knowledge instead of being aware of the actualities.
Who told U that there was no love and trust ?
Who told U that they were not wanted ?
Who told you they were expensdive commodity ?
Who told you that fathers wanted to get rid of them ?
Who told you that they were not cared and had nothing but drudgery and lonely ?
First get rid of your limited views about Indian society.It’s very clear that you have digested huge bogus material written by some stupid minds having biased view about Indian society.
Anyway, if that’s the real view of Indian society, I will not shatter your illusions.Why should I have problem with likes of you for whom their limited knbowledge is prize possession?I have already stated that you are a closed mind.You answers are indicative of your limitations.
It’s better I stay away from you at least on these issues because only Nuya and her gang have access to real picture.The likes of us are simply beating the bush.You are born with real knowledge while rest are prophets of false knowledge!
It’s time for you to shatter ghettos of your mind and allow others to make a world a better palce to live in.You please don’t turn it into greater hell by thrusting down our throats your limited and borrowed understanding full of bogus findings.
Something had to be horribly wrong for a whole lot of women for them to go through all that trouble to change it.
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census)
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all God`s Children.)
70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)
http://www.photius.com/feminocracy/facts_on_fatherless_kids.html
In 2006, 38 percent of all births were to unmarried women, up from 37 percent in 2005. Between 1980 and 2006, the percentage of births to unmarried women rose sharply for women in all age groups.
Among teenagers, the percentage rose from 62 to 92 percent for ages 15–17 and from 40 to 81 percent for ages 18–19.
The percentage tripled for births to women in their twenties, from 19 to 58 percent for women ages 20–24 and from 9 to 31 percent for women ages 25–29. The percentage of births to unmarried women in their thirties more than doubled from 8 to 18 percent.
In us at the time of slavery, abolition of slavery was opposed by some blacks themselves- does it mean there was no slavery. In pre independence India, Indian independence was opposed by some Indians and freedom movement was brutally crushed by Indian soldiers, does it mean the India demand was wrong.
Dont personalise the debate. Existence of your husband or husbands of your friends do not prove anything. We are talking about general atmosphere, where men are being forced or cajoled or befooled into slavery in the name of marriage.
The United Nations is an impeccable source for information and beyond reproach.
Here is what they found on their study of women in India.
http://www.un.org.in/wii.htm
Then there is this
India is a society where the male is greatly revered. Therefore women, especially the young girls, get very little respect and standing in this country. The women of the household are required to prepare the meal for the men, who eat most of the food. Only after the males are finished eating, can the females eat. Typically the leftover food is meager, considering the families are poor and have little to begin with. This creates a major problem with malnutrition, especially for pregnant or nursing women. Very few women seek medical care while pregnant because it is thought of as a temporary condition. This is one main reason why India’s maternal and infant mortality rates are so high. Starting from birth, girls do not receive as much care and commitment from their parents and society as a boy would. For example a new baby girl would only be breast fed for a short period of time, barely supplying her with the nutrients she needs. This is so that the mother can get pregnant as soon as possible in hopes of a son the next time (Coonrod).
Because women are not educated and cannot hold a prestigious job, they take on the most physically difficult and undesirable jobs. A typical day for a woman in an agricultural position lasts from 4am to 8pm with only an hour break in the middle. Compared to a man’s day, which is from 5am to 10am and then from 3pm to 5pm. Most women are overworked with no maternity leave or special breaks for those who are pregnant. Plus women do the majority of the manual labor that uses a lot of energy compared to the men who do mostly machine operating (Coonrod). Even though women work twice as many hours as men, the men say that “women eat food and do nothing.” This is mainly because the work the women perform does not require a lot of skill and are smaller tasks.
Most women do work for a wage but are not counted because it is farm work, or crafting, cooking and things done for cash.
***The exact same thing you have been saying about women***
http://global_india1.tripod.com/current.htm
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/india/publications/women_Book-6-5-03/09_statusofwomeninindia.pdf
Mistreatment: In recent years, there has been an alarming rise in atrocities against women in India, in terms of rapes, assaults and dowry-related murders. Fear of violence suppresses the aspirations of all women. Female infanticide and sex-selective abortions are additional forms of violence that reflect the devaluing of females in Indian society.
Powerlessness: While women are guaranteed equality under the constitution, legal protection has little effect in the face of prevailing patriarchal traditions. Women lack power to decide who they will marry, and are often married off as children. Legal loopholes are used to deny women inheritance rights.
http://www.thp.org/where_we_work/south_asia/india/research_reports/chronic_hunger_and_status_of_women
As a matter of fact all the studies show females in India are far worse off than other equally poor countries.
Women in communist countries fair better.
Maternal mortality rates in India are 100 times what they are in the developed countries,
and significantly higher than in some developing countries like Sri Lanka, Vietnam and
Cuba.
Maternal mortality rate
Cuba 27
China 65
Sri Lanka 130
Viet Nam 160
India 407
*So it is not about being poor*
recent surveys have
shown that more than 50% of all married women in
India suffer from anemia but they get no treatment because the husbands dismiss all claims of illness by women as laziness. Women are not allowed to seek medical help even where it is easily accessible because they can’t leave the house without permission.
The proportion of women and men in the population can tell us
a lot about the level of gender equality in the country. Biologically,
women are the stronger sex. In societies where women and men
are treated equally, women outlive men, so that there are more women
than men in the adult population. Typically, one can expect to find
103-105 women for every hundred men in the population.Given the enormous progress India has made in health care and nutrition for its women
and children, one would expect a steady increase in the number of women in the population.
It is shocking that the reverse has happened. The female to male ratio has become
worse, not better, in the last 70 years.
**AND YOU WONDER WHY WOMEN ARE SO PISSED OFF AND BENT ON REVENGE!*
If you look for the death and birth rate in any nation India will be on top, because we have that many people :) Dont get too much worried about the maternal death.. In India average life span of men is way too shorter than women. No one care or do any studies on men because MEN ARE DISPOSABLES.
Himanshi Dhawan | TNN
New Delhi: The phenomenon of teenage pregnancy seems to be a worldwide trend with countries like the US and UK reporting high rates along with India and others in South Asia. Latest data suggests that teen pregnancy in India is high with 62 pregnant teens out of every 1,000 women. In comparison, 24 British teens get pregnant before their 19th birthday while the figure is 42 in the US.
I don’t know where you get your stupid ideas from but divorce in America leads to poverty for women and children, and increased standard of living for men.
Men do not pay alimony in America and haven’t for decades! You have some very very old info.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/77072/women_and_poverty_in_america_pg2.html?cat=41
Divorce is the number 1 cause of poverty for women.
Men leave not the women and men 75% more likely to leave uneducated women than leave educated women. Those women who were in so called traditional marriages are the ones who are the worse off.
This doesn’t happen in countries where there is true gender equality like in Denmark and Sweden. America still has a very long way to go before we get anywhere close to gender equality for all women and not just the middle and upper class.
Then why not you fix that first and then take up the rest of the world? LOL
Local Opinions (46)
— Allen Tucker
....It says all.I just fail to understand why the authorities have failed to realize that women can too misuse the legal provisions?It’s ridiculous to believe that only truth comes out from mouth of a woman every time she opens it !!
— Allen Tucker
....It says all.I just fail to understand why the authorities have failed to realize that women can too misuse the legal provisions?It’s ridiculous to believe that only truth comes out from mouth of a woman every time she opens it !!
Alimony can be claimed by any party - man or woman, it depends on who earns more or who has greater wealth assets.
The word men/women to be replaced by the word Person and husband/wife to be replaced by the word Spouse.
A well-educated person should earn their live hood by their hard work instead of treating others as a Free ATM machine.
The word “living-in-adultiry” to be replaced by the word “living or lived in adultrity” during the relationship of both the partner, should not be entitled for any maintenance from each other, as it is a criminal breach of trust and cheating.
If any one filed the maintenance under crpc 125, the person should not be entitled to file or claim any other maintenance case under section24 or DV act.
Repalce the word husabnd and wife to spouse and men women to person, can you?
This is called the present Justice system in India and equal right in India.
For a wife even adultrity also is not a crime (it is a rewarding option and free money earning business for the whole life), but for a man even an allegation of “Name-calling” is crime and not only the man, his mother/sister/age-old father also can be put behind the bar under 498A or DV act.
Now, the Question is are Indian Husbands ready to accept that hard reality and will wake up to Stop the Legal Terrorism against Indian Husbands or still prefer to sleep?
Indian Husbands End thier life:It Was A Crime That I Was Born As Man ?
Honorable Supreme court of India along with all LAW makers , still not able to answer : Is the Pain of a Mother or Sister is less or Nil , when they lose their son or brother?
If not then why a wife should not be punished, when the evidence are beyond reasonable doubt the husband end his life due to harassment by wife?
We wonder Whose life is in More Danger in India: Men or Women?
1. Crime Bureau data 2005: Married Men Suicide : 52k vs Married Women Suicide 28K.Still there is no LAW to Protect Men why?
2. 2006 Crime Bureau Data: Married Men Suicide: 55452 vs. Married Women Suicide:29869.
3. 2007 Crime Bureau Data : Married Men Suicide: 57593 vs. Married Women Suicide:30064.
Will Our LAW Maker change the LAW 304B (dowry death) to 304C (Sowry Death) and 498A (harassment to wife) to 498B (Sowry harassment by wife)?
In case when a wife end his life, irrespective of any reason , the husband and all his mother/sisters put behind the bar immediately , but when a Husband end their life, inspite of having the evidence , no one cares or media also do not find the same as news , forget about any Breaking News. We even witness the husbands and all his family members send behind the bar , even when the wife’s family falsely claimed the wife is dead, where as the truth is the wife is alive and happily enjoying her life with another man.
Whereas , we have witness in this country , a women sleep with her boyfriend in Mumbai five star Hotel (few month back a Air Hostage women’s suicide case) and the moment she suicide , all the News Channel claim the wife had been killed (where as the husband stay in Delhi) and it is to be termed as Dowry Death... wonder , where every suicide of a wife had converted to Dowry death and made more and more laws (as on date more than 6 laws to harass and treat the husbands family as Free ATM machine available in this country).
It is evident, more than 90% Indian Husband totally ignorant about the danger they are in and relax, till the time they hit by those dangerous weapon of Legal Terrorism in the form of one sided law like 498a/DV Act/Crpc125/child custody/adultery/maintenance.
Since ages, the fruits of man’s labour has been stealed by women- as wife; but in modern society it is not mere stealing- it is robbery- a legalised robbery under garb of maintenance laws. Why should an able bodied educated women get maintenance? Are not she in a position to maintain herself? How can the law canot see the reality that hndrends of able bodied educated women are maintaining themselves?
The law has to understand that maintenance is not a bounty-
http://masculist.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/maintenance-is-not-a-bounty/
Friends, this society will not understand the plight of men- the only way is to refuse to marry. Men must refuse to marry-
http://masculist.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/why-should-men-refuse-to-marry/
First of all I doubt your English reading capabilities. The article no where intends to be wound licking for anyone. It exposes a behavior of the system which is reality.
And as far as Alimony is considered, it is not the birth right of any woman. Alimony is the biggest motivator for women to break marriage and shun off responsibilities and is an anti-man concept. Men fear and tolerate in marriages due to the fear of impending alimony whereas women sleep with multiple partners and then file false cases against their husbands and claim alimony as if it is their birth right to loot men.
And all this drama goes on in the name of Women Empowerment. Is this women empowerment, to allow women to commit all kinds of crime? Whereas men pay the price for that by being framed as the bad gender.
Enough of this non-sense, men in West have already stopped marrying, the same will happen in India and Indian women will be begging for husbands on the national highway and still won’t get.
Some facts about men, lesser known available at,
http://www.wemen.us
Marrige can nenver be based on ”Love”. Because Love is a feeling and by its very nature feeling are ephmeral. We dont know any institution in the world which survives on love (if there are any, do let me know). Marriage survives when it was needed.
In the olden days, earning food and livelihood was difficult, dangerous. Men went out hunting, fishing, getting food. Many of them died in the effort to get food for women and their children (in fact studies in some primitive tribal society proves that almost 80% men dies violent death in order to secure food or for security). At that point of time, women needed marriage. So they befooled men into marriage and enjoyed the fruits of labour of men. Now this is not required. They dont need marriage.
Men are idiots, fools. They dont understand the design of women to rob them of their labour. Unless until they understand it, they will be exploited as slaves. If they dont understand it, they deserve to be exploited as salves.
Some classes of persons survive on expliotation. Women is one- State is other. In present time the biggest and most dangerous Feminist is state. It gets 80% of its tax revenue from men and spends 80% of money on women. State has become a tool to exploit men and support women, just as in earlier times the marriage was the exploitative tool.
The only way to get out of this situation is to understand that Men dont need women- they will be happier withtout women. Women are exploiter. They are dangerous. They can make false allegation of rape against you-
http://masculist.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/false-allegation-of-rape/
and with power of Feminist State (maintained by taxes paid by men) your life is ruined. If you work with them, they can file sexual harassment charge at workplace. If you marry them, your destinity is well documented with divorce, alimony, paternity fraud, child support, getting thrown out of house etc. etc.
You have to avoid women. Avoid as much as possible. Dont talk to them. Dont go out with them. Dont marry them. Dont work with them. Once you learn to save yourself from them, look at the state. Then it is easier to correct the Feminist State.
In mughal times, a horse was prices approximately six time than the price of a women. Probably in that warring society, hosrse was more useful than a woman.
You yourself says if the husband does not pay maintenance, why will be he needed for. Being needed, being useful is most important thing. If some person want to be treated as worthy, he must be useful.
You are right in saying neither men nor women need marriage. Then why marry? I have no disagreement with you on this point.
Billions of people are married around the world for Love? Hey I just heard the other day from feminist that marriage is an institution for exploitation of women. In fact some say that Love is a tool for women expliotation. I just believed them. That is one of the reason for which i said love and marriage should not exist. I do agree with feminist on some points.
Those women whose marriages are arranged by their parents are not feminists. They need marriage. For those women marriage is the most important celebration of their life. As they need marriage, they make various sacrufices to make the marriage work. That marriage does not depend on love- as before marriage probably neither the boy nor the girl has seen each other- and cerainly not talked to each other. They are living in some past society.
Our discussion is about the present society. Where marriage is for some alleged love, where marriage is an informed choice of the parties. Let us confine this discussion to that marriage only.
And I would like to congratulate you for one more thing. When you (a woman) say something, it is on behalf of feminity; when I (a man) say something, it is my personal view. This dichotomy will not work for long.
Men have tolerated rubbish feminist prpaganda for long, beacause they were interested in women empowerment. In order to promote women empowerment, they didnt oppose blatant lies of the feminists. Those days are over. Those blatant lies are breaking the society, punishing innocent persons (both men and women), developing a breed of parasitic feminists who is only interested in extorting money for any body- from her husband as alimony, as child support even when there is no child, as rape victim when there is no rape, as dole from state and so on. We will not let it run for long. Women has to work and they have to maintain themselves and their children.
And yes- I am interested in State Feminism- for I pay taxes. I want account of every penny I pay to the state. If any penny will be used to give dole to undeserving women or used to punish innocent men, I am concerned- and I will oppose.
Before I start let us understand a few things. Women position was bad in earlier times, now in modern society it is improving. Have you ever thought why?
The answer is simple. Earlier society was based on war- and women didnt participated in war. Men were conducting war, businesses related to war, controlling state which comes into existence as a result of war, controlling taxes collected by the state, enjoying prizes of war etc. etc. In this activity, women didnt particiapte for whatever reason, and hence their position was weak.
The modern society is based on salaried job which women can do as efficiently as any man. Hence they will gain status. I support such gaining of deserving status. The other important thing is ”democracy”, where words and expression counts. I feel women are better in talking and expressing themselves- in truth or in lies. We have to learn this trick from women, if we have to survive in democracy.
Yes, read Nuya diligently. Look into the changing stance-
Women can maintain herself (threat to men). Why are men needed (making men useless, as if only need of man is to give maintenence to women.)
Keep your pidding money (anger). You think this way, no body wants you (threat of social exclusion). It is a good thing you will never marry (curse). We have to understand such tricks.
See the complete result- she is not saying anything. She support maintenance or not, no body knows. All that she says that if you want to keep your pidding money to yourself, no body will marry you. Non committal arguments- it is a great strategy in logic. Men must learn it if they have to survive in democracy.
Anyway, abortion is done by women themselves- women doctor for greed, women mother either based on her calculation or to plese her family members for her benefits. Why to blame men? The practice is bad and I oppose it as much as you do- but I will not allow you to take this plank for feminazi propaganda.
Your views are very interesting.Keep it up.We have realized and now it’s time for you to realize that likes of Nuya are bundle of contradictions.They have an inborn talent to make contradictory statements.
You must bow down to the Queen of contradictions :Ya Devi Sarvabhuteshu..hehe
You were lucky enough to be allowed to bullshit for so long as I was busy with work.
Now your points are as hollow as your mind. Brainless and full of shit.
Women sleep with their brothers and fathers and file harassment cases against their husbands when caught.
Women marry only rich men and marry only for money. Money is the sole criteria women look for marriage and will marry any jerk for that matter.
Women are the real cause of all miseries on earth and blame men for everything.
Women use men be it their brother, father, boyfriend, husband or husband’s friend or the guy with whom they commit adultery.
Women have caused the greatest wars in history.
Behind every crime there is a woman.
See even I can talk bullshit like you have been doing so far.
But has it got any relevance with the topic at hand? No. Oops I forgot, one needs brains to understand all that.
All you have is an empty from where facts boomerang and a loud mouth used to utter bullshit.
By the way, all of the above that I wrote about women, is true but I know you will not accept it, because you are blind and gender obsessed and as usual, as a woman you do not want to take any repsonsibility so you are putting all blame on men.
But sweetie, gone are those days when women used to trap men in false allegations and make money because men are back, as explained at,
http://wemen.us/articles/an-article-a-day/512-men-are-back-.html
And for your bogus data on female feticide, first of all you do not have any factual backbone to support your claim, do not tell me media, because is sold off to sensationalism and knows that only sex, sleaze and crime sells and thus sells it, at the cost of society.
And here’s the direct evidence of men’s torture, men have been tortured to such an extent that out of 1400 genes, only 45 are left in the Y Chromosome - the one that’s responsible for manhood.
This clearly shows the degradation of men due to torture by women. But why will you accept all this, since for you women can’t commit crime, right?
Utter Bullshit.
-Guilty person should be punished but false accuser should also be punished.
-Dowry taker should be punished but dowry giver should also be punished.
-There should be recognised right os women in marriage, but duties of women should also be enumerated.
-A rapist should be punished, but false accuser of rape should also be equally punished.
It is never done. There is no balance in law. Why should men be doing the balancing act. Read the balance in Rape Law,
http://masculist.wordpress.com/2009/05/13/false-allegation-of-rape/
Enough is enough. We men think that appropriate balance can be created only after destabilising the unjust laws.
Women enjoy the most in marriage, its the man who slog out, day in and day out.
And if women do a bit of work for a change, whats there to shout about?
Again irresponsible nature of women exposed.
Keep on talking and exposing women.
I am having fun sweetie.
Understand, women can’t take care of themselves only because they are useless.
Guys, do not write complex sentences to Nuya, she finds it difficult to understand and makes basic mistakes.
Please cooperate with her, she is trying hard to cope up to men.
I know you have a closed mind but I now know that even your eyes are closed as you can’t see that I am talking to Rajesh.
At least,keep your eyes open while typing comments!
Men, the idiots they are, kill their own brethren to please a woman while woman enjoy.
It always has been a woman vs. woman war and men have paid the price for that.
As for me, I am very happy in my life, you need not worry about it. I have seen enough bad women who commit crime and pass the blame on men.
Well, if you have not got a traffic ticket, does not mean you do not have the potential to commit crime.
But as a woman you have wholsale free license to commit crime, some man will be punished for that.
The day men, stop protecting women, men will be liberated and their miseries will end.
The day men stop marrying, free lunches for women will end and they will have to work then.
Anyways here’s a direct evidence of the crimes that women commit,
Have a go here,
http://www.wemen.us/menz-corner/videos/551-beware-husbands-news-9-part-2.html
http://www.wemen.us/menz-corner/videos/550-beware-husbands-news-9-part-1.html
And it is very easy to have fun with women coz they do not have brains.
Anyways WOMAN consists of MAN, SHE consists of HE, FEMALE consists of MALE.
A woman is incomplete without a man and cannot survive without a man.
A man can.
Looks like no one has challenged you so far, so making small mistakes here and there outta frustration.
I sympathize you.
Also I know since you are mentally ill, I wish you Get Well Soon.
Well, I will never give maintenance to any women as a matter of right. I can give much more, if I am pleased. I will not give a penny, if I am not pleased. I know who to give my money too- I will not allow anybody to extract that from me.
Therefore I suggest, ”never marry a working women- they are more likely to be a feminist”.
And still cling on to men for their expenses and protection.
Only shows the level at which you women are situated.
Btw something for male hater like you to enjoy,
just wait for 5 million years, you won’t need a bicycle to fish
http://wemen.us/articles/an-article-a-day/552-men-the-invisibly-abandoned-diaspora.html
Btw I salute women’s ability to complain about everything.
There are some lines,
God created the world and rested
God created men and rested
And God created women
Neither God nor men have rested.
Hahahaahhaha all are RohanD, dear, RohanD is different, I am different, Arvind is different.
All are real men, not the fake ones you have met so far.
What makes you think a woman can’t say this?
Women are the most shameless creatures God ever created.
Merely because some alleged injustice was meted out to dead women of the past, cannot be a reason for doing injustice to live men.
Men must understand that during peace time, women will be as good as men and men have to compete with them. Further, women handle democracy better and hence a beneficiary in democracy. We have to understand these things. A gender war is inevitable. This war will be a democratic war- on ballots. Be prepared for that.
Another aspect is story telling. Most of the people read story books- fictions. Women are better in story telling- they write better stories, more emotional, more moving. We have to learn story telling. I tried one story, have you read,
http://masculist.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/angulimaal/
I am in the process of learning story telling. We all learn making stories. In news items, add a few words here and there, make a moving emotional news items and fill the web. Stories will be an important weapon in this war.
Read properly, then reply. Let us not degrade the standard of discussion.
We have always been head-on many times.I know more about you and even if you try to know yourself you won’t come to know better than me!!
I know the consequences of uttering your name..hehe
You will be more informed what happens when enlightened community of men tackle the propaganda of the feminists :
http://indowaves.instablogs.com/entry/random-thoughts-on-womens-day/
Have a look at the debate in this article to know more about Nuya and her feminist gang in league with only reality of this universe:FEMINISM !
Some people have suggested here that both man and woman don’t need each other.Well,they are made for each other unless we have decided to give rise to homosexuals and lesbians.It’s time to decide whether we are interested in giving rise to society having man and women as life partners or are interested in giving way to community of lesbians and homosexuals mired in all sort of psychological disorders.
I am afraid time is not far when intimate relationship between man and woman ,build on trust and love,will become rarest of rare thing.
Jai Ho Feminism Ki !!
Remember Zaheera Seikh ? He was punished by the Court for displaying her capacity of story telling.
Remember recent incident in which a woman accused policemen of raping her inside the Police Station ?
Remember Zaheera Seikh?She was punished by the Court for displaying her capacity of story telling!
You don’t sound correct when U say that ”none of the arranged relationships were built on love or trust or respect”.
Arranged marriages in India have generally been the breeding ground for trust and love since time immemorial.
The problem has arisen now when individualism has gained ground in land which believed in togetherness.When one becomes hypersensitive about one’s needs and dreams the chances of developing an intimate relationships becomes zero as all the time we are more interested in pursuing our interests instead of strengthening the bonds.
Today we can have one-night stands but are becoming incapable of living together as life partners.We have forgotten the art of taking an extra step for the betterment of one’s life partners.Interests and not values that decide the fate of relationships today.
That’s why it’s futile to debate with you.You are more interested in unfolding your false knowledge instead of being aware of the actualities.
Who told U that there was no love and trust ?
Who told U that they were not wanted ?
Who told you they were expensdive commodity ?
Who told you that fathers wanted to get rid of them ?
Who told you that they were not cared and had nothing but drudgery and lonely ?
First get rid of your limited views about Indian society.It’s very clear that you have digested huge bogus material written by some stupid minds having biased view about Indian society.
Anyway, if that’s the real view of Indian society, I will not shatter your illusions.Why should I have problem with likes of you for whom their limited knbowledge is prize possession?I have already stated that you are a closed mind.You answers are indicative of your limitations.
It’s better I stay away from you at least on these issues because only Nuya and her gang have access to real picture.The likes of us are simply beating the bush.You are born with real knowledge while rest are prophets of false knowledge!
It’s time for you to shatter ghettos of your mind and allow others to make a world a better palce to live in.You please don’t turn it into greater hell by thrusting down our throats your limited and borrowed understanding full of bogus findings.
”Hell no!!!! Marriage means slavery... working from before the sun comes up until well after dark and never being appreciated. It means walking the floor all night alone with a sick child....changing diapers....Looking at the same 4 walls day after day, night after night until you think you will go crazy....it means having to have sex even when you don’t feel like it or he will stomp and scream and slam doors until you give in.....it means never having any fun...and if you don’t work... it means having to beg for everything you get and then you can only have what he LETS you have and not what you want...it is sooooooo degrading....I don’t know why any woman would get married.” Unquote.
Have you ever asked from your mother why did she marry? Why did she opted for slavery?
You are right Nuya, we dont want to handle such smart women. Probably we cant. It is our fault.
Yes, you are doing a great service to mankind. With your words, many men will undersatnd this threat and degradation and some lives will be saved. Keep on writing like this. It is a great service to mankind. Keep it up.
In us at the time of slavery, abolition of slavery was opposed by some blacks themselves- does it mean there was no slavery. In pre independence India, Indian independence was opposed by some Indians and freedom movement was brutally crushed by Indian soldiers, does it mean the India demand was wrong.
Dont personalise the debate. Existence of your husband or husbands of your friends do not prove anything. We are talking about general atmosphere, where men are being forced or cajoled or befooled into slavery in the name of marriage.
Well, I think every man is a slave in marriage- slavery to maintain a women and her childrens.
Global Opinions (49)
1) Giving and Taking bribe is an offense; So that neither the giver or the taker complains in normal case but at the same time it can be used well to settle personal scores.
2) Giving and Taking dowry is an offense. Again same thing, only been used to settle personal scores.
The most irrational part is, when money is been given to MEN it is termed as DOWRY and is punishable offense. But WOMEN can claim the same thing (alimony) LEGALLY!!!
If Giving/Taking DOWRY is an offense Giving/Taking ALIMONY should also be an offense; because both are money!!!
If American had not been in the hands of the religious wing of the government at the time of 9/11 then there would not have been the attitude of ”God given RIGHT” to disregard the Geneva Conventions and all other civilizing factors.
All I am saying is be careful what you wish for ...or you just might get it... just like we did... and you know the deep doo doo we are in.... just like Iran did.... and you see what turning their country over to religion has done to them. Look to working models of peace and equality and then get involved in government.... don’t make the same mistakes as failed states like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, America, Mexico, Israel etc. Letting religion rule is always a mistake, no matter what the religion is.
209 Men Kidnapped for Marriage
Read Original Article in Hindi
http://www.wethemen.us/images/stories/209%20Men%20kidnapped%20for%20marriage.pdf
Then what would she need you for?
So there! Stay single, no one wants you anyway!
the saying, ”The girl is the most unwanted member of the family” no longer applies....does it?
Fathers no longer have to pay to get rid of unwanted daughters.
no more arranged marriages so women aren’t shipped off against their will to live with men they don’t love and who don’t love them.
No more fear of being used as a breeding machine, that should cut down on over population.
Men can cook and clean and shop for food and wash their own clothes and tend their own gardens and tend to their own sexual needs so really no need for women to be burdened with men.
No need to correct the feminist state! It seems to be working great for you, since you don’t want anything to do with women anyway.
Just think, you get to keep all your money for yourself now, if that feminist state hadn’t come along, you might have had to share some of it.
Why would that be a threat? Since you say that women have been worthless since the dawn of time and have never contributed anything to the world, that should be a comfort to you not to be burdened.
Why are men needed (making men useless, as if only need of man is to give maintenence to women.)
Yep
Keep your pidding money (anger).
No anger to it, why should women be angry about being able to make money and not have to share any of it?
You think this way, no body wants you (threat of social exclusion).
What threat? You have friends don’t you? You certainly don’t want any women around.
It is a good thing you will never marry (curse).
CURSE! It is a blessing to you... you never have share any of your money, you get to keep it all for yourself. That is all you were interested in anyway.
He says all women are worthless and useless and have always been, but he complains about them now taking care of themselves....nothing is more contradictory than that.
Women have never had any power to do any of those things you claim, men turned the world to shit all on their own. Remember, women were at home sitting on their asses doing nothing, like you said. You can’t have it both ways.
Why are you even talking about this? None of it concerns you in any way. You are perfectly happy without worthless, evil women. You should be happy to live out your life alone and feminism has made that all possible for you.
If you are asking if I have ever committed a crime, the answer is no. I have never even had a traffic ticket.
I live in America, I have freedom, equality, prosperity, and love....why would I want to commit crimes?
OK! we get it, you hate women and want nothing to do with them, that is your right.
Like I said before, women need men like a fish needs a bicycle.
I just happen to be lucky and have REAL men around me, no candy ass whiners. I am not fond of effeminate men who blame women for their short comings. I don’t personally know any like that so you are a novelty to me.
SUCKER!!!!!
I am just tickled to find some real live cavemen...it is very amusing...sad and sorta twisted but amusing.
That is a whole lot of emotional baggage to overcome! Centuries worth for the women and the men. You will never learn anything if you don’t learn to see things from another person’s point of view or put yourself in their place.
Women don’t stab men that they love. Men don’t respect stupid women who let people walk all over them.
They married for money — would you? by
Kanchana Banerjee
http://getahead.rediff.com/report/2009/jun/25/they-married-for-money-would-you.htm
There was no togetherness.. just 2 separate people doing their separate duty because their families told them to do it.
Men had interests and they pursued them but women were not allowed to. The women had nothing but drudgery and loneliness and no one cared. ’It is a woman’s lot in life to suffer’, there is some form of that saying in all patriarchal societies. They were made to suffer for so long, is it any wonder that they want revenge now?
Something had to be horribly wrong for a whole lot of women for them to go through all that trouble to change it.
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census)
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes (Source: Center for Disease Control)
80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes (Source: Criminal Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26, 1978.)
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes (Source: National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools.)
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes (Source: Rainbows for all God`s Children.)
70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes (Source: U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept 1988)
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home (Source: Fulton Co. Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. of Corrections 1992)
http://www.photius.com/feminocracy/facts_on_fatherless_kids.html
In 2006, 38 percent of all births were to unmarried women, up from 37 percent in 2005. Between 1980 and 2006, the percentage of births to unmarried women rose sharply for women in all age groups.
Among teenagers, the percentage rose from 62 to 92 percent for ages 15–17 and from 40 to 81 percent for ages 18–19.
The percentage tripled for births to women in their twenties, from 19 to 58 percent for women ages 20–24 and from 9 to 31 percent for women ages 25–29. The percentage of births to unmarried women in their thirties more than doubled from 8 to 18 percent.
The United Nations is an impeccable source for information and beyond reproach.
Here is what they found on their study of women in India.
http://www.un.org.in/wii.htm
Then there is this
India is a society where the male is greatly revered. Therefore women, especially the young girls, get very little respect and standing in this country. The women of the household are required to prepare the meal for the men, who eat most of the food. Only after the males are finished eating, can the females eat. Typically the leftover food is meager, considering the families are poor and have little to begin with. This creates a major problem with malnutrition, especially for pregnant or nursing women. Very few women seek medical care while pregnant because it is thought of as a temporary condition. This is one main reason why India’s maternal and infant mortality rates are so high. Starting from birth, girls do not receive as much care and commitment from their parents and society as a boy would. For example a new baby girl would only be breast fed for a short period of time, barely supplying her with the nutrients she needs. This is so that the mother can get pregnant as soon as possible in hopes of a son the next time (Coonrod).
Because women are not educated and cannot hold a prestigious job, they take on the most physically difficult and undesirable jobs. A typical day for a woman in an agricultural position lasts from 4am to 8pm with only an hour break in the middle. Compared to a man’s day, which is from 5am to 10am and then from 3pm to 5pm. Most women are overworked with no maternity leave or special breaks for those who are pregnant. Plus women do the majority of the manual labor that uses a lot of energy compared to the men who do mostly machine operating (Coonrod). Even though women work twice as many hours as men, the men say that “women eat food and do nothing.” This is mainly because the work the women perform does not require a lot of skill and are smaller tasks.
Most women do work for a wage but are not counted because it is farm work, or crafting, cooking and things done for cash.
***The exact same thing you have been saying about women***
http://global_india1.tripod.com/current.htm
http://www.unodc.org/pdf/india/publications/women_Book-6-5-03/09_statusofwomeninindia.pdf
Mistreatment: In recent years, there has been an alarming rise in atrocities against women in India, in terms of rapes, assaults and dowry-related murders. Fear of violence suppresses the aspirations of all women. Female infanticide and sex-selective abortions are additional forms of violence that reflect the devaluing of females in Indian society.
Powerlessness: While women are guaranteed equality under the constitution, legal protection has little effect in the face of prevailing patriarchal traditions. Women lack power to decide who they will marry, and are often married off as children. Legal loopholes are used to deny women inheritance rights.
http://www.thp.org/where_we_work/south_asia/india/research_reports/chronic_hunger_and_status_of_women
As a matter of fact all the studies show females in India are far worse off than other equally poor countries.
Women in communist countries fair better.
Maternal mortality rates in India are 100 times what they are in the developed countries,
and significantly higher than in some developing countries like Sri Lanka, Vietnam and
Cuba.
Maternal mortality rate
Cuba 27
China 65
Sri Lanka 130
Viet Nam 160
India 407
*So it is not about being poor*
recent surveys have
shown that more than 50% of all married women in
India suffer from anemia but they get no treatment because the husbands dismiss all claims of illness by women as laziness. Women are not allowed to seek medical help even where it is easily accessible because they can’t leave the house without permission.
The proportion of women and men in the population can tell us
a lot about the level of gender equality in the country. Biologically,
women are the stronger sex. In societies where women and men
are treated equally, women outlive men, so that there are more women
than men in the adult population. Typically, one can expect to find
103-105 women for every hundred men in the population.Given the enormous progress India has made in health care and nutrition for its women
and children, one would expect a steady increase in the number of women in the population.
It is shocking that the reverse has happened. The female to male ratio has become
worse, not better, in the last 70 years.
**AND YOU WONDER WHY WOMEN ARE SO PISSED OFF AND BENT ON REVENGE!*
Himanshi Dhawan | TNN
New Delhi: The phenomenon of teenage pregnancy seems to be a worldwide trend with countries like the US and UK reporting high rates along with India and others in South Asia. Latest data suggests that teen pregnancy in India is high with 62 pregnant teens out of every 1,000 women. In comparison, 24 British teens get pregnant before their 19th birthday while the figure is 42 in the US.
I don’t know where you get your stupid ideas from but divorce in America leads to poverty for women and children, and increased standard of living for men.
Men do not pay alimony in America and haven’t for decades! You have some very very old info.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/77072/women_and_poverty_in_america_pg2.html?cat=41
Divorce is the number 1 cause of poverty for women.
Men leave not the women and men 75% more likely to leave uneducated women than leave educated women. Those women who were in so called traditional marriages are the ones who are the worse off.
This doesn’t happen in countries where there is true gender equality like in Denmark and Sweden. America still has a very long way to go before we get anywhere close to gender equality for all women and not just the middle and upper class.
If you look for the death and birth rate in any nation India will be on top, because we have that many people :) Dont get too much worried about the maternal death.. In India average life span of men is way too shorter than women. No one care or do any studies on men because MEN ARE DISPOSABLES.
Then why not you fix that first and then take up the rest of the world? LOL
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1) Giving and Taking bribe is an offense; So that neither the giver or the taker complains in normal case but at the same time it can be used well to settle personal scores.
2) Giving and Taking dowry is an offense. Again same thing, only been used to settle personal scores.
The most irrational part is, when money is been given to MEN it is termed as DOWRY and is punishable offense. But WOMEN can claim the same thing (alimony) LEGALLY!!!
If Giving/Taking DOWRY is an offense Giving/Taking ALIMONY should also be an offense; because both are money!!!
— Allen Tucker
....It says all.I just fail to understand why the authorities have failed to realize that women can too misuse the legal provisions?It’s ridiculous to believe that only truth comes out from mouth of a woman every time she opens it !!
Alimony can be claimed by any party - man or woman, it depends on who earns more or who has greater wealth assets.